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Top 10 Signs of the Impending U.S. Police State

By Allan Uthman, Buffalo Beast. Posted May 26, 2006.

From secret detention centers to warrantless wiretapping, Bush and Co. give free rein to their totalitarian impulses.

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Is the U.S. becoming a police state? Here are the top 10 signs that it may well be the case.

1. The Internet Clampdown

One saving grace of alternative media in this age of unfettered corporate conglomeration has been the internet. While the masses are spoon-fed predigested news on TV and in mainstream print publications, the truth-seeking individual still has access to a broad array of investigative reporting and political opinion via the world-wide web. Of course, it was only a matter of time before the government moved to patch up this crack in the sky.

Attempts to regulate and filter internet content are intensifying lately, coming both from telecommunications corporations (who are gearing up to pass legislation transferring ownership and regulation of the internet to themselves), and the Pentagon (which issued an "Information Operations Roadmap" in 2003, signed by Donald Rumsfeld, which outlines tactics such as network attacks and acknowledges, without suggesting a remedy, that US propaganda planted in other countries has easily found its way to Americans via the internet). One obvious tactic clearing the way for stifling regulation of internet content is the growing media frenzy over child pornography and "internet predators," which will surely lead to legislation that by far exceeds in its purview what is needed to fight such threats.

2. "The Long War"

This little piece of clumsy marketing died off quickly, but it gave away what many already suspected: the War on Terror will never end, nor is it meant to end. It is designed to be perpetual. As with the War on Drugs, it outlines a goal that can never be fully attained -- as long as there are pissed off people and explosives. The Long War will eternally justify what are ostensibly temporary measures: suspension of civil liberties, military expansion, domestic spying, massive deficit spending and the like. This short-lived moniker told us all, "get used to it. Things aren't going to change any time soon."


Did anyone really think this was going to be temporary? Yes, this disgusting power grab gives the government the right to sneak into your house, look through all your stuff and not tell you about it for weeks on a rubber stamp warrant. Yes, they can look at your medical records and library selections. Yes, they can pass along any information they find without probable cause for purposes of prosecution. No, they're not going to take it back, ever.

4. Prison Camps

This last January the Army Corps of Engineers gave Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root nearly $400 million to build detention centers in the United States, for the purpose of unspecified "new programs." Of course, the obvious first guess would be that these new programs might involve rounding up Muslims or political dissenters -- I mean, obviously detention facilities are there to hold somebody. I wish I had more to tell you about this, but it's, you know... secret.

5. Touchscreen Voting Machines

Despite clear, copious evidence that these nefarious contraptions are built to be tampered with, they continue to spread and dominate the voting landscape, thanks to Bush's "Help America Vote Act," the exploitation of corrupt elections officials, and the general public's enduring cluelessness.

In Utah, Emery County Elections Director Bruce Funk witnessed security testing by an outside firm on Diebold voting machines which showed them to be a security risk. But his warnings fell on deaf ears. Instead Diebold attorneys were flown to Emery County on the governor's airplane to squelch the story. Funk was fired. In Florida, Leon County Supervisor of Elections Ion Sancho discovered an alarming security flaw in their Diebold system at the end of last year. Rather than fix the flaw, Diebold refused to fulfill its contract. Both of the other two touchscreen voting machine vendors, Sequoia and ES&S, now refuse to do business with Sancho, who is required by HAVA to implement a touchscreen system and will be sued by his own state if he doesn't. Diebold is said to be pressuring for Sancho's ouster before it will resume servicing the county.

Stories like these and much worse abound, and yet TV news outlets have done less coverage of the new era of elections fraud than even 9/11 conspiracy theories. This is possibly the most important story of this century, but nobody seems to give a damn. As long as this issue is ignored, real American democracy will remain an illusion. The midterm elections will be an interesting test of the public's continuing gullibility about voting integrity, especially if the Democrats don't win substantial gains, as they almost surely will if everything is kosher.

Bush just suggested that his brother Jeb would make a good president. We really need to fix this problem soon.

6. Signing Statements

Bush has famously never vetoed a bill. This is because he prefers to simply nullify laws he doesn't like with "signing statements." Bush has issued over 700 such statements, twice as many as all previous presidents combined. A few examples of recently passed laws and their corresponding dismissals, courtesy of the Boston Globe:

--Dec. 30, 2005: US interrogators cannot torture prisoners or otherwise subject them to cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment.

Bush's signing statement: The president, as commander in chief, can waive the torture ban if he decides that harsh interrogation techniques will assist in preventing terrorist attacks.

--Dec. 30, 2005: When requested, scientific information ''prepared by government researchers and scientists shall be transmitted [to Congress] uncensored and without delay."

Bush's signing statement: The president can tell researchers to withhold any information from Congress if he decides its disclosure could impair foreign relations, national security, or the workings of the executive branch.

--Dec. 23, 2004: Forbids US troops in Colombia from participating in any combat against rebels, except in cases of self-defense. Caps the number of US troops allowed in Colombia at 800.

Bush's signing statement: Only the president, as commander in chief, can place restrictions on the use of US armed forces, so the executive branch will construe the law ''as advisory in nature."

Essentially, this administration is bypassing the judiciary and deciding for itself whether laws are constitutional or not. Somehow, I don't see the new Supreme Court lineup having much of a problem with that, though. So no matter what laws congress passes, Bush will simply choose to ignore the ones he doesn't care for. It's much quieter than a veto, and can't be overridden by a two-thirds majority. It's also totally absurd.

7. Warrantless Wiretapping

Amazingly, the GOP sees this issue as a plus for them. How can this be? What are you, stupid? You find out the government is listening to the phone calls of US citizens, without even the weakest of judicial oversight and you think that's okay? Come on -- if you know anything about history, you know that no government can be trusted to handle something like this responsibly. One day they're listening for Osama, and the next they're listening in on Howard Dean.

Think about it: this administration hates unauthorized leaks. With no judicial oversight, why on earth wouldn't they eavesdrop on, say, Seymour Hersh, to figure out who's spilling the beans? It's a no-brainer. Speaking of which, it bears repeating: terrorists already knew we would try to spy on them. They don't care if we have a warrant or not. But you should.

8. Free Speech Zones

I know it's old news, but... come on, are they fucking serious?

9. High-ranking Whistleblowers

Army Generals. Top-level CIA officials. NSA operatives. White House cabinet members. These are the kind of people that Republicans fantasize about being, and whose judgment they usually respect. But for some reason, when these people resign in protest and criticize the Bush administration en masse, they are cast as traitorous, anti-American publicity hounds. Ridiculous. The fact is, when people who kill, spy and deceive for a living tell you that the White House has gone too far, you had damn well better pay attention. We all know most of these people are staunch Republicans. If the entire military except for the two guys the Pentagon put in front of the press wants Rumsfeld out, why on earth wouldn't you listen?

10. The CIA Shakeup

Was Porter Goss fired because he was resisting the efforts of Rumsfeld or Negroponte? No. These appointments all come from the same guys, and they wouldn't be nominated if they weren't on board all the way. Goss was probably canned so abruptly due to a scandal involving a crooked defense contractor, his hand-picked third-in-command, the Watergate hotel and some hookers.

If Bush's nominee for CIA chief, Air Force General Michael Hayden, is confirmed, that will put every spy program in Washington under military control. Hayden, who oversaw the NSA warrantless wiretapping program and is clearly down with the program. That program? To weaken and dismantle or at least neuter the CIA. Despite its best efforts to blame the CIA for "intelligence errors" leading to the Iraq war, the picture has clearly emerged -- through extensive CIA leaks -- that the White House's analysis of Saddam's destructive capacity was not shared by the Agency. This has proved to be a real pain in the ass for Bush and the gang.

Who'd have thought that career spooks would have moral qualms about deceiving the American people? And what is a president to do about it? Simple: make the critical agents leave, and fill their slots with Bush/Cheney loyalists. Then again, why not simply replace the entire organization? That is essentially what both Rumsfeld at the DoD and newly minted Director of National Intelligence John are doing -- they want to move intelligence analysis into the hands of people that they can control, so the next time they lie about an "imminent threat" nobody's going to tell. And the press is applauding the move as a "necessary reform."

Remember the good old days, when the CIA were the bad guys?


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Top 10 Signs Liberals are out of their minds
Posted by: jonwilson on May 26, 2006 1:25 AM   
OK, I only have time to write one right now. Running a super-polluting company is time consuming. I have to find a new dump site for our waste. But anyways,

Even if all 10 things above were true, most likely Hillary will be President in a few years. So what is the big deal? Keep the terrorists from attacking us for a few more years then let Hillary remove all the safe guards and they can get back to attacking us again.

Worst case scenario no more terrorist attacks for a couple years. I hope that is not too long to wait.

» Only one sign??? Posted by: Tom Degan
» He's not a "used tampon" Posted by: Allison
» RE: He's not a "used tampon" Posted by: kabac55
» RE: He's not a "used tampon" Posted by: jonwilson
» Nor is he a sun-dried condom ... Posted by: AdamSelene40
» TROLL ALERT! Posted by: ssegallmd
» RE: TROLL ALERT! Posted by: wwarner
» No. And No. And No. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: No. And No. And No. Posted by: ssegallmd
» Go, Segal! Posted by: Steven Wanzell
» RE: No. And No. And No. Posted by: Longdream
» The REAL enemy Posted by: Spanky69
» RE: TROLLS ON PROZAC Posted by: figuremechanic
» RE: TROLLS ON PROZAC Posted by: ssegallmd
» RE: TROLLS ON PROZAC Posted by: Weston
» RE: Top 10 Signs Liberals are out of their minds Posted by: allyourbasearebelongtous
» JonWilson = Coward Posted by: Urban Sombrero
Damage Eternal
Posted by: Tom Degan on May 26, 2006 1:28 AM   
The damage that the Bush administration is doing to the CIA alone is incalcuable and will be with us for generations. Remember a guy named Joe McCarthy? In the 1950's he was literally able to gut the state department of career professionals who knew foreigh diplomacy inside and out. These able people were replaced by alot of political hacks. The result? All of these decades later we're still feeling the effects of "Tail Gunner Joe's" recklessness. If not for the stupidity and hysteria of the Witch Hunts, we might have well avoided the debacle of Viet Nam ten years later.

As far as Detention Centers are concerned, I'm told that each of these places are able to hold as many as 40,000 people. I have bad news for you: A high percentage of those beds will be reserved for the readers and writers of AlterNet.

See ya in the prison library, kids!

Pray for peace.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

» RE: Damage Eternal sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
» RE: Damage Eternal sickofsleaze Posted by: allyourbasearebelongtous
» RE: The prison camps... Posted by: Jasonix
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» RE: Damage Eternal Posted by: rinthy
» Beds? Posted by: Mutternich
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Irony of ironies
Posted by: Benjaminsjw on May 26, 2006 1:49 AM   
(Tongue in cheek)
Boy, did you guys get screwed or what? Opposing the Sovjets for half a century, only to find that your own system has degenerated to the same levels, nay! even lower... At least the Sovjet Union offered free healthcare, free education, guaranteed employment, and all the other social security benefits that the US is still lacking.

» RE: Irony of ironies Posted by: jwg
» RE: Irony of ironies Posted by: Benjaminsjw
» RE: Irony of ironies Posted by: ConnecttheDots
» RE: Irony of ironies Posted by: Benjaminsjw
» RE: Irony of ironies... Posted by: ChrisBieber
» RE: Irony of ironies... Posted by: izquerdista
» RE: GO LIVE THERE THEN Posted by: figuremechanic
» RE: GO LIVE THERE THEN Posted by: Benjaminsjw
» Freedom in the USA Posted by: Spanky69
» RE: Freedom in the USA Posted by: Benjaminsjw
» Why are you still around? Posted by: Spanky69
» RE: GO LIVE THERE THEN Posted by: skolya
» RE: GO LIVE THERE THEN Posted by: ssegallmd
» RE: Irony of ironies Posted by: jasto
the future
Posted by: Moeed on May 26, 2006 3:01 AM   
Just a question for the posters, if one election could be rigged, what is stopping them for doing the same thing in your next and thereby continue controlling the government?
Somehow it seems these past two elections and their consequences have the markings of some sort of greater milestone.

» RE: the future Posted by: freedem
» RE: the future Posted by: 50566
» RE: the future Posted by: allyourbasearebelongtous
Posted by: DubyDooDoo on May 26, 2006 3:53 AM   
The thoughts are good but the language used is BAD. As my brother-in-law stated, (paraphrased) Cursing is the attempt by a weak mind to express itself forcefully!

I hope you all will use logic, emotion and good common sense to express yourself forcefully without the "BAD" words that turn people off. Learn to use the same propaganda techniques that Goebbels taught and Bush uses to express your ideas and convince people of the necessity for reform.

» RE: DubyDooDoo Posted by: terradea
» DubyDooDoo two Posted by: BillC
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» RE: DubyDooDoo two Posted by: outsidea
» RE: DubyDooDoo two Posted by: ssegallmd
Library records
Posted by: Tamar on May 26, 2006 3:53 AM   
I work for a public library system. Many librarians went to bat and protested the ability for government to come in and view library usage on a patrons record. The government/police/military can view the records, but first they have to go to court and get a subpena. At least it's not a situation as easy as them barging into a public library and demanding to see what a patron has checked out on their card. For the most part the library system in America feels that what a patron has checked out on their card is their own business and private.

» RE: Library records Posted by: ChristopherLL
» RE: Library records Posted by: musicalbookworm
» Librarians risk nothing. Posted by: Spanky69
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» RE: Library records Posted by: thebeardedlady
Just Because a Few Buildings Were Knocked Down
Posted by: ChristopherLL on May 26, 2006 4:09 AM   
Imagine that all of this began after a few buildings were knocked down. On the other hand since Nixon this is what those who worship power and wealth were waiting for.

» RE: HERE'S THE MISSING LINK! Posted by: figuremechanic
» RE: HERE'S THE MISSING LINK! Posted by: ChristopherLL
» RE: HERE'S THE MISSING LINK! Posted by: montana freeman
The way it looks from now on
Posted by: IanA on May 26, 2006 4:25 AM   
As long as THEY are happy to "Fool some of the people all of the time" and most of the rest are either scared or indifferent, the few exceptions they can keep indefinitely where the barbed wire points inwards and call those few "terrorists".

Make it 11
Posted by: churchofone on May 26, 2006 4:27 AM   
Don't forget the latest about prosecuting journalists who publish information the WH wants kept secret!

Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on May 26, 2006 4:42 AM   
Believe me they are working on it. Even in the earth is flat Kansas the Republicans are taking no chances and installing electronic voting machines in Johnson county.

Knocking down a few buildings
Posted by: hankgeorge on May 26, 2006 4:47 AM   
Isn't it "ironic," as one respondent noted, that all it took was knocking down a few buildings to get this 10-pronged effort at neofascism up and running. Consider this...and then consider that whenever criminal investigators approach the solving a crime, their first question is: who had the most to gain from the act.

Did these nofascists have more to gain from 9/11 than the terrorists? Didn't the fact of 9/11 facilitate the institutionalization of the "war on terror" as a fact of life without any definable end point? Wasn't 9/11 an absolute prerequisite for invading Afghanistan and then Iraq...both logistically key countries in the master plan to have a strong military presence abutting on central Asian oil reserves?

Consider these realities and tell us again why it isn't appropriate to re-open the investigation of 9/11, this time with the process NOT under the tight control of the administration.

Conspiracy theory? A recent poll showed that 43% of Americans question the validity of the official position on 9/11.

Imagine what the watershed of an honest assessment of all the evidence related to 9/11 would be...if, as I suspect, it would become clear that - at minimum - there was a "stand down" order given... I'd wager the net result of 9/11 truth would destroy this neofascist nightmare forever.

Next weekend, in Rosemont, Illinois, near O'Hare airport, there is a 2-day conference on 9/11. I'm going...are you...or are you still standing pat - along with the slavish media and every cowing political personality - in the comfort zone of "whatever our President says must be the truth?"

» RE: Knocking down a few buildings Posted by: leftylawyer
» Continued Post By bodo Posted by: bodo
» the look of blasts Posted by: paulaH
» RE: Knocking down a few buildings Posted by: 1984NOW!!!
» RE: Knocking down a few buildings Posted by: fourflusher
» HERE'S THE MISSING LINK! Posted by: figuremechanic
» RE: HERE'S THE MISSING LINK! Posted by: matilda
» OSAMA Posted by: benhamin
» RE: OSAMA Posted by: brunowe
» RE: OSAMA Posted by: Spanky69
Posted by: rsaxto on May 26, 2006 5:13 AM   
The Bushies are the world's most prolific creators of junk. Their wars create junk galore, their words create junk galore. Their ignorance creates junk science. Their real beliefs create junk religion. Their corruption creates huge debts and turns intelligence agents into propagandists. The biggest disaster is the fact that the Bushies are still in power. Every day they are in power degenerates the USA and the rest of the Earth. IMPEACH!

» RE: junk Posted by: 50566
» RE: junk Posted by: jonwilson
» My goodness . . . Posted by: russianblue1
» RE: My goodness . . . Posted by: viking
Warrantless Wiretapping...
Posted by: Saeldayar on May 26, 2006 5:28 AM   
WARRANT defined: (taken from dictionary.com)

9 entries found for warrant.
war·rant ( P ) Pronunciation Key (wôrnt, wr-)
Authorization or certification; sanction, as given by a superior.
Justification for an action or a belief; grounds: “He almost gives his failings as a warrant for his greatness” (Garry Wills).
Something that provides assurance or confirmation; a guarantee or proof: a warrant of authenticity; a warrant for success.
An order that serves as authorization, especially:
A voucher authorizing payment or receipt of money.
Law. A judicial writ authorizing an officer to make a search, seizure, or arrest or to execute a judgment.

A warrant officer.
A certificate of appointment given to a warrant officer.

tr.v. war·rant·ed, war·rant·ing, war·rants
To guarantee or attest to the quality, accuracy, or condition of.
To guarantee or attest to the character or reliability of; vouch for.

To guarantee (a product).
To guarantee (a purchaser) indemnification against damage or loss.
To guarantee the immunity or security of.
To provide adequate grounds for; justify. See Synonyms at justify.
To grant authorization or sanction to (someone); authorize or empower.
Law. To guarantee clear title to (real property).

The one thing this definition above leaves out and most people (except the guys running the show) are also overlooking is that a WARRANT provides a RECORD of activities taken. Without a record who's to say what did or did not happen. It all becomes 'hearsay', OBJECTION!!

When you found out your husband or wife was cheating, do you think it had only STARTED when the knowledge was placed in your head???

Side comment:
Being a Veteran I am astounded by the loss of my personal RECORDS of my military activities.

If you're going to be an IDIOT at least be a "smart" IDIOT and ENCRYPT the files when you take them home ILLEGALLY.

ENCRYPTION can be done at home on your own computer, let alone by a SANCTIONED data warehouse.

Press for legislation that any entity keeping electronic records be required to ENCRYPT.

A few seconds of headache will save YEARS of heartache and untold dollars spent to cover your ASS...

Congrats, Uthman
Posted by: NYRugby on May 26, 2006 5:32 AM   
As a long-time "Beast" reader, just a quick congratulations to Allan.

Posted by: ssegallmd on May 26, 2006 5:31 AM   
"Despite clear, copious evidence that these nefarious contraptions are built to be tampered with, they continue to spread and dominate the voting landscape, thanks to Bush's "Help America Vote Act," the exploitation of corrupt elections officials, and the general public's enduring cluelessness."

There you have in a kernal all that you need to know to plan for your future: the United States is gearing up to crack down on its citizens like a ton of bricks, and those citizens not only don't know what to do about it, they are eternally in denial that a problem even exists.

These are your partners in a enterprise called America. Just as a marriage has aspects of it that make it like a business partnership (for example, you are financially responsible for his or her credit card purchases even if you didn't approve of them), so too is citizenship like a large business venture ostensibly with 300 million partners who, in a democracy, are roughly equal partners.

By this reckoning, we are all in danger who have our futures entwined with that of the hapless and (as stated abouve) clue-free American people. To be citizens with these people is to share jointly in any windfalls and follies that they may encounter and take on, and windfalls for this unsophisticated, undeveloped mass of childlike adults are few and far between, and they are stolen from us by our government anyway and given to industry such as the Internet issue described in point 1 above, or the forrests to the paper mills.

You can be certain that when the Iraqi oil begins flowing again, its profits will not go to the American people who financed its "liberation", just the bill for the dollars and bodies expended to get it. It's a fools deal, and we have just the fools for the job numbering in the in the tens of millions from Bangor to Bakersfield.

The only way to protect yourself from the fool brigade is to disentrain from them. Let that runaway locomotive go careening on its ill-fated course without you (it won't take me down!). Plan to emigrate.

[CONT. next post]

» But how? Posted by: scryberwitch
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» RE: But how? Posted by: ssegallmd
» I don't know how, just why Posted by: ssegallmd
» RE: I don't know how, just why Posted by: ssegallmd
» Excellent, beautiful! Posted by: WhatNow?
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» I Second The Motion! Posted by: Steven Wanzell
Posted by: resistance6 on May 26, 2006 5:48 AM   
You mean you guys haven't figured this out YET that 9/11 was an inside job?

Huge buildings like the Twin Towers and Tower 7 don't implode at the speed of gravity because there's a fire in the top floors. Remember, Tower 7 was hit by NO PLANE AT ALL.


There's tons of stuff on the Internet about this. Scholars for 9/11 Truth to start with. Infowars.com, PrisonPlanet.com, many others.

There's also a ton of stuff about how thoroughly evil our government is. (dare I speak the word ILLUMINATI?)

It's all about the New World Order and bringing down the United States in order to make it happen.

» I'll speak the word ILLUMINATI!! Posted by: freethink7
» OH, CHRIST! Posted by: Longdream
» RE: OH, CHRIST! Posted by: resistance6
» RE: OH, CHRIST! Posted by: Steven Wanzell
» What I know or don't know Posted by: Longdream
» RE: What I know or don't know Posted by: Steven Wanzell
» I don't know how nice they are, Posted by: Longdream
Freedom and Liberty
Posted by: Arvy on May 26, 2006 5:57 AM   
George Bush said that the terrorists hate the West because of its freedoms. Makes sense that he's taking those freedoms away in order to stop the flow of hate…! Once you're all living in a police state then the terrorists will have nothing to hate you for!

On a serious point: The roots of the words Freedom and Liberty have different meanings. Freedom implies that I can drive my SUV because I want to, if it impinges on your life then tough.

Liberty implies I am free to drive my SUV but not if it impinges on your freedom to breathe clean air. I need to be responsible about my liberties.

The rest of the world sees America as obsessed (you could say 'enslaved') by the idea of freedom. I'm reminded of the scene from 'Life of Brian' when Brian says to the mob : "Don't repeat what other people tell you!" and the mob responds as one: "Yes! We will not repeat what others tell us!"
"You're all individuals"
"Yes, we're all individuals!"
One man says quietly : "I'm not!" and is quickly shushed by the crowd.

We need to be that person, this means living with doubt and not rushing to the protection of those who claim to have unshakeable certainty.

Maybe you should start spreading the concept of Liberty…
I'll re-phrase that, we should ALL start spreading the concept of liberty… it includes everyone else in your grand schemes.

God bless the world…

» RE: Freedom and Liberty Posted by: 50566
Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming on May 26, 2006 6:00 AM   
I fear that it's already here, and I simply cannot understand why most people don't realize what a hideous situation we face. I've always been skeptical about conspiracies, but I no longer think 9/11 had an external cause. I'm an ex-pat six months of the year, and am planning for year round.

» RE: impending? Posted by: Steven Wanzell
» RE: impending? Posted by: jlt
It's 2006, and the dream is dead.
Posted by: Blanktivist on May 26, 2006 6:02 AM   
8. Free Speech Zones

I know it's old news, but... come on, are they fucking serious?

In the early 90s, role-playing publisher Mayfair Games produced a cyberpunky superhero RPG called Underground, in which "free speech licenses" were one of the over-the-top features of the satirical dystopia the designers envisioned for 2021 America. The trouble with satire is that it keeps turning into prophecy.

See also Tim Kreider's "The Pain -- When Will It End?" cartoon and artist's statement for April 19: "A national politician being referred to as 'anti-torture' is one of those clever background details that a science-fiction novelist would drop to clue us in to the fact that we’re in some brutal fascist dystopia of the future or a nightmarish parallel history where the Nazis won the war." (Note: Godwin's Law only says that the probability of a Nazi comparison increases steadily over the lifetime of the discussion. It's a corollary that says the first person who makes the Nazi comparison loses, and I'm pretty sure that corollary doesn't actually apply if the person making the comparison can back it up.)

» Pat Buchanan Posted by: BillC
» How about a race-baiting, Posted by: Longdream
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» The cadaver stinks! Posted by: ssegallmd
The Dark Path
Posted by: Shama on May 26, 2006 6:38 AM   
One of the purposes behind the National Guard, the militia of the States, is to be a line of defense preventing a President from using marshal law against the interests of the States. Rumsfeldt, who this writer considers the most dangerous man in the world, has blatantly decimated the National Guard by throwing them into the forefront of his war on Iraq. Although their equipment was never state of the art, they return with little of what the previously had while their numbers plummet. Training of military police in the techniques of torture, building new secret prisons in the US, creation of domestic databases, are ominous signs. We maybe simply an event away from being pushed down a very dark path and worst of all only a few of our political leaders demonstrate little concern for our Constitutional protections or for that matter the common people of our country. In addition, Christian fundamentalists have invaded all branches of our government and their theocratic beliefs run contrary to democratic principals which evolved from our “one out of many” historical development. We appear to be at a fork in the road as a country, one of those paths could lead to a dark age for America and maybe the world.

» RE: The Dark Path Posted by: Jesse
Feeling The Heat
Posted by: joseph_b26 on May 26, 2006 7:14 AM   
This is a important list because it also unintentionally outlines our road to recovery and recension. For me, the list highlights just how much power the Republicans and this administration have grabbed. If they are on the same "page", we are in trouble -- more troubled than you can imagine. At first, I thought they, the noted power grabbers, were in league together, but since the conservative base and some Republicans Congressmen have become just as concern about the far reaching implementation of a total overthrow of our Government, I have downgraded my first assessment. The first area for attack in undoing this unbalance would be to change the face of our Congress, and oversight will have to pieced together enough to make the elections fair. Without fair elections, we will be screwed and in for a long torment.


» RE: Feeling The Heat Posted by: resistance6
2008 election
Posted by: charemor on May 26, 2006 7:30 AM   
My biggest fear is that before the 2008 election the current administration will manufacture some sort of crisis in order to declare martial law and keep the Jug Eared Jackass and his thugs and cronies in office.

The Long War?
Posted by: repo on May 26, 2006 7:52 AM   
I missed this short-lived piece of marketing, it sounds very Orwellian. Could someone please be kind as to link me to a page discussing it? Thanks

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Fear and Loathing
Posted by: karihari on May 26, 2006 9:31 AM   
The detention camps are real as well as the other nine items. If you think that the government is there to protect you,remember people dying on T.V.during hurricane Katrina. Riot police in the sixties and seventies were intimidating but there existed checks and balances,unfiltered news and the first amendment right to dissent. Forget Hillary and ponder the October surprise and Bush's desire to be President for life. We have met the enemy and he is us.

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Touch Screen Voting
Posted by: AlanSmithee on May 26, 2006 10:14 AM   
While the dangers of touch screen voting are well documented, predicating election fraud on the Democrats not winning "substantial gains" is ridiculous on the face of it. The Other War Party is quite adept at losing elections all on their own, thank you.

» RE: Touch Screen Voting Posted by: 50566
Telephone tax refund is a back door attack on Internet Freedom
Posted by: reason on May 26, 2006 10:14 AM   
According to the news, everyone who has called overseas long distance will get a refund of those taxes paid for the last 3 years. Some businesses will get a large refund and a small amount will go to the consumer.

The federal excise tax on local telephone service remains in effect, but Snow said the administration supports terminating that levy as well. Senate Finance Committee Chairman Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, said he plans to act as soon as possible to move legislation eliminating the remainder of the tax.

Snow said federal revenues are "surging" and the government can handle the reduction in revenue, even with annual budget deficits.

This will eliminate the telephone tax we pay on our phone bill that pays for equal internet access for all of us. This is a back door attack on our internet freedom.

The Eyes Are Upon You
Posted by: mite on May 26, 2006 10:46 AM   
I know most of us acknowledge that everything we write and everytime we view this Alternet web page we are logged down by security personnell.
We blame Bush and Cheney but if you research history you will find this action was planned by think tanks, and the Congress has been passing laws for decades.
I think William Cooper said it best in his book `Behold A Pale Horse' talking about Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, page 49, " If the people really cared about their fellow man, they would CONTROL their appetites (greed, procreation, etc) so that they would not have to operate on a CREDIT or welfare social system which steals from the WORKER to satisfy the bum. Since most of the general public will not exercise restraint, there are only two alternatives to reduce the economic inductance of the system."
William Cooper gives two alternatives (1) let us bludgeon each other to death in war, (2) take control of the world by the use of economic ways by benevolent slavery and genocide. Number (1) would destroy the `ELITE` ALSO so they decided on NUMBER 2.
I will tell you all if you want to know what is ahead for our children and grandchildren read this book and others outside of the system and you will be shocked. OR you can keep living in DENIAL and believe the regular media controlled by these ELITE and let your next generations be SLAVES.
Oh, buy the way check out Paul Williams a journalist, I heard him on CoasttoCoastAM last night. I would say what the subject was but you know the POLICE they would be busting down my door with no warrant because I used one of the NO-NO words on this spy web site.

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I don't care about this issue--there are other issues more important
Posted by: cry0fan on May 26, 2006 11:13 AM   
We desperately need to make our tax base more progressive, provide universal healthcare, and stop mass immigration from flooding our labor markets. These are more important issues.

This issue is not that important, and we should disregard it until we are able to clear up the more pressing issues. That is why America has such a low regard for the political process--the issues they want addressed are not being addressed.

» Just this once, I'll bite... Posted by: HeroesAll
The terrorists are in office
Posted by: YogiBear on May 26, 2006 12:53 PM   
If George Washington were here now, he'd walk right into the Oval office and kick George Bush's ass.

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Posted by: chaos-abounds on May 26, 2006 1:21 PM   
so...not to be a stickler for grammar or anything, but "internet" should be capitalized.

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Is the purpose of the article to inform or provoke?
Posted by: MountainMike on May 26, 2006 1:33 PM   
When you start off with provocative language like "police state," you are inviting partisan bickering. An example is all of the responses about "liberals." However, if you don't give this article a title, and simply provide the information, I have found that you can have discussions focused on the facts. I have had the experience of being in discussions where (so called) conservatives and liberals agree, and the real culprit here becomes obvious, the neo cons.

We need to break down the barriers and find common ground for the next elections, and I am hoping for a change of directions toward protecting citizen rights, protections and the Constitution.

» Or is it a call for action? Posted by: Lincoln fan
time to tell republicans to go fuck themselves
Posted by: harinama on May 26, 2006 2:28 PM   
Time is over for conciliation
Time is over for coming together
Time is over for benefit of the doubt

The US had a coup in 2000, which held in 2004. It is time to take control of our elections, kick out the touchscreens, have INTERNATIONAL OVERSIGHT of our elections to force them to be fair. We all know Bush the fuckhead did not win the election, and all the ways the last 2 presidential elections were rigged.

Republicans (or those that call themselves republicans nowadays) need to have a constant stream of profanities thrown in their face, knees to the crotch, slaps to the face so that they WAKE UP from their selfishness, closed mindedness, materialism and ignorance of history and international affairs.

Dems need a leader who will tell Republicans to GO FUCK THEMSELVES, that in THIS country we have laws and checks and balances of power, that you cannot create a police state to support your evil imperialistic, fascist(meaning corporatist) aims and subjugate the peoples of the world.

Even with a smart, savvy cabinet(as opposed to the coldwar fucking evil pricks in there now), it will take decades to undo all of the anger EVERYONE in the world feels for us now.

Christ, canadians are embarassed to be north of us, Mexico looks like a pristine, corruption-free compared to us. It's time to take back our country, our government, kick out the assholes who give us a bad name, and rebuild our international relations.

I pray to god everyday that a hundred lightning strikes reign down on these fascists, because that may be the only thing that can save us from ourselves.

Posted by: SinatraFonzarelli on May 26, 2006 3:00 PM   
Pay attention, liberals. The U.S. IS a police state, and has been since it's conceptionb. Just ask a black person or an Indian.

It's not Bush, it's the system.

» It's not Bush, it's the system. Posted by: Lincoln fan
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White Privilige and the Police State
Posted by: jumpy on May 26, 2006 3:45 PM   
When you consider the 4,000 + lynchings of African Americans between 1868 and 1968 you know there has ALWAYS been a Police State in the USA but now they are expanding it to include those previousy protected by their White Privilge. For further evidence of the already pre-exisitng police state just ask Abner Louimma, Amadou Diallo, and Rodney King how long the police state has existed. a very basic defintion of a Police is that a Police State exists when any member a segment of society cannot go about their daily lives without fear of oppression, intimidation and outright murder and human rights violations from agents of the state. By this defintion we have had a Police state in the USA since it's inception.

Regardless of our ethnicity we ALL need to open our eyes NOW to the fact that not only has a Police State existed prior to "Bushco" but we have never had true Deomcracy in this country. We live in a class based stratified society that favors white people in many unspoken unseen ways. This is not to place blame but this is a call to conscience and a wake up call to reality. Before they were just coming for some of us and now they are coming for the rest of us. The people who have seized control of this country are radicals not conservatives and they will not reliquish power through elections. We will not be able to vote our way out of this and the Democrats share are in league in many ways wiuth this agenda, all you have to do is listen to what they say for proof. We must now figure out how to move from protest to resistance.

Resistance is not futile. If you have been silent, Speak now. If you have been inactive, now is the time to reclaim the soul of your integrity. MOVE one foot in front of the other even if you are unsure of the path or destination. Find a place to make your stand, resist injustices where ever you find them even if you must act alone. Create, give birth, and manifest the reality you have always dreamed of. Draw strength from your ancestors and all who have gone before you. The future is unwritten. Another World is possible. Dare to make it real!!!

Happy Memorial Day.
Posted by: aussidawg on May 26, 2006 5:05 PM   
How ironic...the weekend that we are supposed to be honoring those who died fightinng for our freedom is the very weekend that Bush gets Gen. Hayden confirmed as C.I.A. head. Even more ironic, Bush was a chickenshit during Viet Nam and used his "connections" to get him a safe position. This guy, along with his buddies are the biggist insult imaginable to our honored freedom fighters. These guys gave their live to fight for our freedom, and along comes a sorry ass, gob of chickenshit that takes everything they died and stood for away, while the narcoleptic American people stew away on their couches watching American Idol. And Bush complains about obscenity.

police state
Posted by: Gregor on May 26, 2006 5:20 PM   
There will be a police state. In Oregon the police already attack unarmed protesters with beatings, mace, tazers, pepper spray and pellet guns. And the protesters were carrying PEACE NOW signs.

Americans never think it can happen to them, but when power and money corrupts, the guys at the top care very little about rules, regulations and the people beneath them.

Take me away...NSA
Posted by: Elmowilcox on May 26, 2006 5:39 PM   
"This post may be recorded and monitored for underhanded purposes."
Anyone come to terms with the fact that nothing in this country will change until a civilian militia is formed? Until the right to bear arms is instituted in a manner for which it was created nothing will ever change. We don't use diplomacy, our "heads"(read:gov't officials) don't understand words, they deal in money and bullets. Money is hard to get, bullets are very cheap...and a lot more persuasive. They don't understand/care for the opinions of people that weren't raised with a silverspoon up their asses, so they shoot them. Well, if you can't beat them, which we can't, join them.

» It Will Come To This. Posted by: Steven Wanzell
Why Americans are Apathetic About Signs of a Police State
Posted by: TerryS on May 26, 2006 8:12 PM   
The reason Americans don't care (at least enought to do anything) is because they are too busy watching TV.

Right now Americans are spending over 4 hours per
day in front of the TV.

Before TV, this time was spent building Social Capital
(that is socializing with actual people, joining clubs,
being active in their churches, teaching their kids, etc).

The only way Democracy can exist is with enough
Social Capital. Otherwise the slide towards totalitarianism
is inevitable.

Free your mind! Escape the Matrix! Turn Off the Tube!


Posted by: 50566 on May 27, 2006 4:25 AM   
i think they simply want to make it look like most of us voted for whoever they rigged to win, but pp lie to mess up exit polls. (see below for testimony regarding, or simply think back on your own experience or reactions)

HERE ON ALTERNET, after 2004 election, there was NOTHING to question this, rather an article was posted by self-proclaimed "nerdgirl" that "Sorry, No, the voting machines did not have errors." She knew because she smart nerdgirl! (no facts were mentioned to muddy the waters) Infuriated, I wrote to Alternet to protest this infiltration of disinfo, along with the FACTS which even I was able to find thanks to Black Box Voting which is the only serious group working on this issue. Did Alternet reply? NO.

So, Alternet is suspect also, especially with their decision to do more stories on sex for fun. That's the favored sleep aid in America. Again, reinforces that "liberals" as sex obsessed heathens. So easy to justify locking down internet to prevent porno/terrorism--only people who will be bothered are nasty liberals with their "facts" no one cares about.

Sometimes i think their mind control experiments are just incredibly effective, then i remember the truth. we create our own reality.

I will be invisible to them, not by hiding, but simply by not generating fear. I suggest that we all have this as an option. Please consider joining me. It will be much more fun. (there are several entertaining movies on quantum physics out now, that hint how to do it, and it's FuN!!!)

I rode the dem bus back from Colorado (swing state) after the election. When i said we won, it was rigged, and it will be rigged again if we don't face up to it, i was shouted down. They said no way, exit polls were wrong (like in the previous election) because Repubs lie about who they vote for just to mess with us and the liberal media...

this is happening because people are "allowing" it. Some are "choosing" it.

EVERYTHING IN THIS UNIVERSE IS BY AGREEMENT. WE HAVE JUST FORGOTTEN IN ORDER TO PLAY THE GAME. Let's change the game, the planned game is a drag. Victim, perp, sleepwalkers. Lord, how long can humanity enjoy this same sick game? but that's what's been selling.

People say peace and love is boring. Well then i guess they can play VPS as long as they enjoy it, but I'm moving on.

This is a free will universe. "Even tho it may not be clear to you, everything is happening exactly as it should." The game is fear vs. love. They will not win this, the camps will not be filled, and everythings gonna work out, because we are not going to play this game anymore.

» Don't play their game. Posted by: Lincoln fan
» New Age blurriness Posted by: Michelle
» Inner Peace Posted by: Lincoln fan
» more food for thot Posted by: 50566
Posted by: b4upoo on May 27, 2006 9:22 AM   
It is a sad time in America. The last thing we need is an executive branch trying to usurp the powers of the judiciary and congress. Frankly we are about to start learning of corruption and bribery at an unimaginable scale. I don't know if we can survive as a nation if we confront the corruption in the current administration. And this national security nonsense just makes it worse. Knocking down a couple of buildings and a few jet passenger planes hardly rises to the level of a national security crises. Using our strength to vigorously attack our enemies is a lot better idea than fruitless programs to supposedly stop individual acts of terror. And to make it really absurd most of our anti terrorist efforts are pretty much a joke.

Posted by: krose on May 27, 2006 10:38 AM   
THEY WANT TO KEEP ME UNINFORMED ABOUT THE government, and their shenanigans!

COMCAST UNCEREMONIOUSLY DUMPED C-SPAN-II FROM THEIR LINE-UP, without notice, one day. When I called C-SPAN, they told me that mine was the only area where COMCAST forces viewers to pay to receive it on digital cable.

This happened right around the time of the NSA scandal and the Hayden confirmations. Who says that the government and the telecommunications companies do not work together? I see COLLABORATION here, and I see it BIG-TIME!

Posted by: MagmaReport on May 27, 2006 10:40 AM   
Police and Terror

Today, security imposes itself as the basic principle of state politics. It is becoming the sole criterion of political legitimation.

It is not anymore a measure of public administration among several others. No, the state's only task and only source of legitimacy is now Security.

But when politics reduces itself to security, the difference between state and terrorism threatens to disappear,
because the state can be provoked by terrorism to turn itself terroristic.

That's what is happening now:
Security and terrorism are forming a system in which they justify each others' killings.

The War on Terror, which is a hunt for security, is leading to a global civil war.

And that War can destroy all civil coexistence.

Now, in the situation we live in, since war between sovereign states is a thing of the past,
security finds its end in the globalisation of both terror and police:
it implies a new global order, a global civil war, which is also a global chaos.

Of course, democracies should defend themselves, but is it possible to do so without co-producing a global civil war,
without institutionalizing terror inside the state apparatus?


View also this COLBERT CLASSIC
"So You Are Living In A Police State"

Conspiracy theories
Posted by: groujo on May 27, 2006 1:05 PM   
I don't dismiss any theory out of hand, but I am naturally skeptical of the claims of conspiracy. The thing about conspiracy theories is that they try to explain anomalies in existing theories. So every anomaly - and there are always anomalies - seems to support the conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories themselves also have anomalies, but these are never examined to the extent the official or mainstream theories are. Let me suggest a few facts that are difficult to reconcile with the theory that the Bushies planned and executed the demolition of the WTC (and I assume the Pentagon).

1. Hundreds of people - if not thousands - would have had to be involved in such a large operation. Yet all of them have remained quiet, and no one else got wind of the operation. The Bush administration has not demonstrated its competence to me at such a level that this seems possible. When we talk about something as enormous and immoral as the 9/11 attack, it is particularly likely that someone - an explosives contractor, a security cop, an FAA grunt - would have whispered something to someone. Where are the whistle-blowers? The tortured souls? The blackmailers?

2. The attacks seem to have taken the Bushies by surprise. If they had planned the attacks, or were even aware of them, wouldn't they have responded with more political savvy? If you had planned this event, wouldn't you have made sure you were particularly presidential circumstances when this occurred? Or would you have been reading My Pet Goat? It took them quite a while to know what they were dealing with, and it took time to organize in the direction of Iraq. Remember the leaked notes from Rummy ("was Iraq involved?") If you know the answers to this question already, why ask?

3. If this was all to propel us into a war in Iraq, wouldn't it have been easier to blame Iraqis? Why were most of the hijackers declared to be Saudi? Why was it so difficult for the Bushies to make a case for war with Saddam? Why weren't his fingerprints all over the thing? Furthermore, why weren't WMDs used - a dirty bomb, for example? Then Bush wouldn't have had to stretch so much.

4. Why would Bush's cronies target the WTC and the Pentagon? WTC was a center of the corporate economy. The Pentagon, obviously, was part of the military industrial complex. Both allies of the Republicans in general and Bush in particular. Aren't there more emotionally compelling targets? Why not the Statue of Liberty or the Washington Monument? Why not a football stadium? Any of these would galvanize and terrify the American people without damaging Bush's friends.

5. Why so lo-tech? Surely the government is sophisticated enough to provide the hijackers with guns rather than box cutters. What if one the hijackings hadn't worked? How would they have explained the demolition of a building not hit? For that matter, how do we explain the flight that WAS downed in PA?

The answer I expect for most of these questions is "they did these things to throw us off the trail". But I'll just say now that this is a fairly silly response. First of all, how far can this go? By this logic, no disconfirming evidence is ever acceptable. It's all an enormous ruse, like the moon landing. Secondly, it just gives our government too much credit. Every added "throw them off the scent" act is another set of difficulties that could have gone wrong. Each one suggests a further layer of sohpistication, competence, and secrecy that human beings are unlikely to acheive.


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The Clock is ticking...
Posted by: gonzoskismet on May 27, 2006 1:16 PM   
...and you guys are blabbing like Luke Skywalker's going to come swinging in to save the day. Go ask 6 million dead Jews why this is a mistake. The Titanic has already hit the freaking iceberg or haven't you heard? Time to visit your local arms dealer, pawn shop or gun show. If you can't shoot, learn to. Time to lock and load, America. Talking isn't going to get you out of this one. And to the boys and girls at the NSA, Have a nice Memorial Day, ya'll. Calling it you're job doesn't make it right.

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From Where a Tyrant Springs...
Posted by: aonghus36 on May 27, 2006 1:22 PM   
"This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector." - Plato

Plato knew it all those centuries ago. So, why doesn't the American public, until it is too late?

I can't wait for the next "Idol"
Posted by: kooz on May 27, 2006 4:43 PM   
Who cares a squirrel shit about America anymore? It's over - it's done, the Constitution is an outdated concept. Freedom? Bill of Rights? It was all an illusion.
It's all about the money....and that's all that friggin matters. That's what the police state is all about. Protecting the wealthy elite so when the next depression hits (and it will in our lifetime) we can't devour the rich too easily for our next meal.

Thanks! Reality At Long Last!
Posted by: Steven Wanzell on May 27, 2006 6:46 PM   
This is only a brief list, but substanciated. They said Hitler's antics were exagerated, until the stench of burning human flesh was in the air. Today's America is no smarter.

Steven Wanzell

Top 10 signs
Posted by: willymack on May 27, 2006 9:40 PM   
1. Read "1984". 2. Be scared.

They Don't Care About the Soldiers
Posted by: resistance6 on May 27, 2006 11:33 PM   
The military are just pawns to them. These people who start these wars, who think them up, do so for money and war profiteering, because they enjoy death and destruction. Truly.

They are Luciferians. Illuminati.

To them it's a nifty way to further their plans for World Government, depopulation, and to make some more money. And of course, these people control all the money anyway.

A Choice Between Commies or Fascists is No Choice at All
Posted by: resistance6 on May 27, 2006 11:42 PM   
I agree that the Democrats are no better than the Republicans.

The Democrats are just Communists.

The Republicans are Fascists.

Both are bad.

This has gone way past our system and our political parties.

We are on the edge of total takeover by the New World Order, the end of the United States as we know it.

Washington, DC won't even be the capital anymore. The United States will be split into two "regions" with two separate capitals. The entire area of Canada, the US and Central America will be melded into one "country."

We can expect more inside jobs like 9/11 by the monsters the Illuminati have running our ship of state at the moment as a pretense to nuke Iran.

Then we're going to get blasted -- according to Scripture.

By the time the globalists are finished with the United States, we will be like a Third World Country, or worse.

This is just pure hyperbole
Posted by: Bobsays on May 28, 2006 4:20 AM   
The US is not becoming a police state. I consider myself a big old socialist and not a supporter of the war in Iraq (but I do support Afghanistan and the War on Terror).

The US and UK have not even come close to the measures they took during WWII. We have not been asked to make any sacrifices for this war.

If the war was being executed even at the level of WWII, you would have seen all muslims put in holding camps right after 9/11 (and I would have supported that). You woud have also seen them stopped from entering the country, period. It would have become illegal to voice sympathy for the terrorists and you would have been publicly outed for doing it.

The governments of the UK/US have only been guilty of moving on this situation in a ham-fisted way, and with their actions twisted impossibly by misguided ideas of treating everyone the same. As if my grandmother is as likely a terrorist as a young mulsim male.

» RE: This is just pure hyperbole Posted by: resistance6
Posted by: DeCaussinJ on May 28, 2006 6:32 AM   
There may not be tanks in the streets, but the fact that the people of this country no longer have any say in how our country is run tells me that the police state is already here!

If we fail to read history
Posted by: MNWally on May 28, 2006 6:55 AM   
Comparisons from another historical period and country is fraught with ambiguity but without comparisions, we would have no method in which to assess our current situation. Historical comparisons can easily be used to prove one point or another in arguments or debates over our current historical framework. Given that, America's current political and social milieu is unequivocally similar to Nazi Germany during it's 1933- 1945 reign.

1. Hitler never won an election or the popular vote, but was able to play off various polictical sides using wedge issues to gain appointment as Chancellor through loop-holes in the Weimar Constitution. Those who had power in Germany at the time, the conervatives and "wealthy class" , thought Hitler the perfact candidate to advance their goals. We know what happen in 2000 in America--sounds famaliar.
2. Hitler's power did not happen over night, but from 1933 to about 1939 there was still enough competing power groups--conservatives,"wealthy class", industrialist, military, and the legal system-- to potentially put a halt to the Nazi government. Once Hitler invaded Poland, any criticism of Hitler and the Nazi's by a citizen was now, more then before, not tolerated. Since Bush's Presidency, it is evident that our fundamental Constitutional rights have been undermind. With the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, criticism against goverment policies can lead to potential use of the Patriot Act to either intimidate or bring actual charges.
3. Hitler had two major institutions that he needed to control --the legal system and the military establishment. Initially the court system under Nazi Germany did offer hope for the citizen and in several cases ruled in favor of an individual againt the Nazi state. Hitler after he invaded Poland, simply took the legal system under his control and used it against citizens. In America, we see conservatives assualt the legal system and we know that Bush has little respect for it. Although we still have a powerful legal system, it has been slowly eroded. Hitler needed to control the military complex as it posed potential problems to his authority because of its link between the military, the conservative classes, and the industrialist classes as a contravailing power. Hitler was personally involved in military issues while Bush uses a proxy in Don Rumsfield.
4. Hitler was able to gain control over the media, and much like our current situtaion in America, propaganda, outright lies, falsehoods were constantly used tools. While in America we still have access to other media and the internet, Nazi Germany was never completely able to stop citizens from accessing alternative media either. A convincing analogy between Nazi Germany and our current situation deals with the propaganda of war. When Germany invaded Russia in June of 1941, it posted news updates after each so called Gemany victory proceded by fanfare music and propaganda hype from Goebbels. Similarly, we have Bush as the jet pilot war hero and with fanfare land on the USS Lincoln and proclaim in hubris and hyperbole, the the "Great Mission" was now over. Germany thought it won in Russia by mid-August of 1941-- sounds familiar enough.

I could go on with similarities between Nazi Germany and our current situation. But the fact remains America is in peril by Bush and the conservatives. I am not sure of the outcome, it could be that 20 years from now we look back and realize that American instiututions and the Constitution were strong enough to sustain the damage caused by Bush and company. Or, that 20 years from now we will be holden to a more significant facist goverment and only lip service--i.e., propaganda, is given to the Constitution. Or, it might be the 20 years from now, we will look back and see the contours of a new revolution that strengthen our Constitution and renewed the ideas of liberalism and individual rights.

» RE: If we fail to read history Posted by: Lincoln fan
Slip, Slippin' Away
Posted by: 1984NOW!!! on May 28, 2006 3:46 PM   
There are many comments on this blog that provide all the information you need to know that we are loosing our country as we have known it. Maybe we were too blissful in our own hubris in thinking that it just couldn't happen here. We smugly looked at other countries who couldn't manage to elect or keep decent leaders. Now here we are, and there are
still people out there who refuse to see the signs of danger that are closely mimicking the rise of Fascism or Nazism. If we were to make a numbered list of items that produced the Mussolinis or Hitlers you could put check marks indicating that, yep Bush did that, done that, doing that.

To think that some people don't mind being spied on, because they are not doing anything wrong, is giving up one of the best guarantees in our Constitution. The last straw for me is the prevention of journalists from being able to disclose the truth or questioning what the administration is doing. OUR PRECIOUS FIRST AMENDMENT DOWN THE DRAIN!
If Nixon was booted out of office for one spying incident that we knew about, shouldn't we have IMPEACHed this bunch already.

If people want our democracy back, IMPEACHMENT is the only way we are going to get it again because I believe that THIS REGIME IS NOT GOING TO GIVE UP THEIR POWER WITHOUT BEING FORCED OUT. IMPEACH!!!!!

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Posted by: Aryamehr on May 29, 2006 1:00 AM   
I read Bill Coopers "Behold a pale horse" and i thought it was pretty insiteful. There where some parts that where a little outlandish but for the most part accurate in his assessments. Some points of Interest
1. He pretty much predicted 9/11 about 10 or 11 years before it happened.
2. He gave accurate reasons why it was going to happen (police state to control mass populations with FEAR)
3. He pointed out that since the inseption of the U.N. every U.S president has committed treason, simply because International law supercedes our laws, which is a violation of our constitution.
4.It doesn't matter anymore who's in office, Republican,or Democrat because you're essentially going to get the same results, presented differently.
5. I believe the man was killed for his views, which would indicate our so called police state being in place considerably earlier than as a result of 9/11.

And 6 and 7 in my oppinion being the most important!!!!

6. Either get up and do something about it intellectually or simply understand that right now the vast majority of the population are basically CATTLE, for a very well put together and highly motivated group of organizations, who WILL put together a New World Order.
7. What struck me as very scarey was that he didn't claim to know it all and thought that he may have been wrong on some subjects and to do your own homework. So i did, and i realized that we're all Fucked!!!!

So if you have questions and are LOST and want to really know how long we've been idealogically repressed and policed, this book would be a great start.

Posted by: resistance6 on May 29, 2006 4:55 AM   
Wake up, folks. Alex Jones has been all over 9/11 from Day One. One tower (Tower 7) fell faster than the speed of gravity and IT WASN'T EVEN HIT. Big towers like that don't go splat because there's a fire burning in the upper floors. The towers were framed with steel, not wax.

The people running our government are monsters. They create a "crisis" (by murdering and bombing) and then they step in to say, "We're your friendly government here to help you." They are Luciferians (ie Illuminati). They get off on war and death and power. They are control freaks.

And George Bush is no Born Again Christian.

Yes, 9/11 was all deliberately done to create an excuse for a police state and to start a world war. Anybody ever hear of the NEW WORLD ORDER? You want answers to 9/11? Check out Scholars for 911 Truth, a group of prestigious scientists who have demolished the official version on 9/11.

Our government is made up of LIARS.

There's a ton of information on the Internet about 9/11 and if you haven't checked it out, maybe it's time to do so NOW before the next crisis these monsters will perpetrate on us?

If you don't know now, it's time you did. Watch Loose Change II and/or 911- Road to Tyrrany, two videos that are on-line.

Here's some links:

Alex Jones documentary: 9/11- Road to Tyranny

Loose Change II (another fantastic documentary on the Net about 9/11 being an inside job)

Scholars for 9/11 Truth will answer ALL your questions.

Alex Jones interview of Charlie Sheen:

Pics of GWB and Laura flashing the Illuminati hand sign during the inauguration:

Listen to Alex Jones M-F here at noon and 10 pm EST

The Franklin Cover-up (how our government leaders are pedophiles who
use little boys brought in from Boys Town. A documentary made to be
aired on the Discovery Channel but bought off and silenced)

Great Bumper Stickers to help get the word out


Click below to listen as Joan Veon tells you how we have already been merged with Mexico!!

3/17/01 interview heard on the Geoff Metcalf Program

Joan Veon and the Women's International Media Group


Chemtrail video

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Posted by: Cathyc on May 29, 2006 11:59 AM   
Wasn't it the Jesuits who said "Give me a child until he is 7 years of age and he is mine for life"? Sociopathic control freaks!

The Next Time...
Posted by: NoPCZone on May 29, 2006 8:09 PM   
Someone tells you that there is not a thin dime's difference between the parties you show them the NeoCon record. They have shown that all they care about is the enrichment of their money base at the expense of everyone else, constitution be damned.

Regulatory agencies that don't regulate, service agencies that do not serve, policies designed to destroy the working and middle class, and a legislative process of, by and for the lobbyists.

Actions speak louder than words. Based upon the actions taken since the advent of the Bush II/NeoCon Congress regime we:

Don't need clean air or water.
Don't need freedom of expression or personal privacy.
Don't need protection from predatory lending.
Don't need decent public education.
Don't need affordable healthcare.
Don't need a post-fossil fuel energy strategy.
Don't need emergency planning.
Don't need factual science unfiltered by politicians.
Don't need campaign finance reform.
Don't need protected wilderness areas.
Don't need a balanced budget.
Don't need our now sullied reputation for valuing basic human rights.

"and a legislative process of,by and for the LOBBYISTS."
Posted by: Aryamehr on May 29, 2006 9:48 PM   
That is my point exactly. Congress has become a big whore house where lobbyists' DICTATE policy. Understand this and then know that our values have become whatever you want them to be based on the highest bidder. At this point differences between the parties are??????
Every issue that was outlined is fact, but they are also lingering problems that have been there for 30,or 40 years.
There have been clean air treaties such as the Kyoto treaty (excuse the spelling) to reduce air pollution that our congress rejected.
And fuel cell technology that has been available to us for over 10 years,that under the Clinton administration where shelved! Whatever the differences in their ideoligies on paper, it doesn't change either sides short comings to society as a whole.
Our government no longer protects or stands for "We the people" but more like we the highest bidder!
All i'm saying is at the end of the day he who pays more dictates policy!

And i pose a multi-part question to everyone? John Kerry,a key DEMOCRAT, married into the Heinz family fortune, who probably saved more money on the last REPUBLICAN tax break than most hardline repubs. Would then be compelled to change the current Republican tax system to better benefit the middle class as a good Democrat should,because............?????
A. He's such a nice guy
B. His wife would love him more if she paid MORE taxes under a democratic system of Government.
C.Because he wants to give part of the fortune back to the people of America.
D.He's a closet Republican.
E.None of the above.

go viking! keep spreading the word
Posted by: scaredstiff on May 30, 2006 7:03 PM   
viking, I have been reading your comments and must say I agree with the points you have made. Until recently I have had my head in the sand about politics and the world condition because I hate politics and the corporate owned/manipulated politicians that have created such a mess! After recently reading about peak oil and the state of the world economy I have had my eyes opened to the coming global catastrophe that is nearly upon us. I'm not sure if I'll die of old age or a stroke due to all the craziness I see happening in the world and this country in particular. Its all a bit much to try and wrap your mind around and make sense of but you explain it very well. I can see no SAFE place anywhere in the world that will remain so for long after the sheep-dip hits the fan. This head-long rush to a global one world govt oppressive Police state will leave no safe havens in or out of the US. I wish you well in your endevors to leave and be safe. Please keep us informed of your progress as the world spirals ever faster downward to a level of suffering and human depravity unknown before on this planet... Maybe with luck I'll die in my sleep instead of a haliburten concentration camp in the US.. :(

Who let the FeeFiFoFum Fantasists in here?
Posted by: Longdream on May 30, 2006 7:59 PM   
This representation of intellectually-challenged scared rabbits and the clabber they use for brains needs to go back and play them some nice Doom.

Good post (N/T)
Posted by: RobbieUMD on May 30, 2006 8:01 PM   

American Embassy Access Denied to U. S. Citizens Living Overseas
Posted by: christininrome on May 31, 2006 8:04 AM   
Police State exists overseas. I am an American Citizen living in Rome, Italy. Yesterday, I went to the United States Embassy here to get some help from the Consulate office. I wanted to ask about employment opportunities and also to register. The guards (who are all Italian and speak no English-we had to speak in Italian-) laughed at me and asked me to leave. When I showed them my passport and explained that I was looking for some help from the embassy, they made jokes in Italian about how impossible for me it would be to get into my own embassy. This is the second time this has happened, and not just to me from what I've heard. Since September 11th, it is virtually impossible for any United Sates Citizen to access the embassy here. The perimeter is surrounded by a multitude of armed guards, dogs, helicopters, cameras, huge wrought-iron-gates, etc.. Does anyone else have similar problems accessing the U.S. Embassies overseas?

Let Freedom Ring!
Posted by: vivachavez on May 31, 2006 11:15 AM   
The last thing that I feel when I read this is fear. It just makes me want to go out and protest and raise hell more! I am not afraid of government retaliation, for I know that I have the Constitution and basic principles of justice, fairness, liberty, and democracy on my side. As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil....