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Mind Unraveled
Joined: 08 May 2006 Posts: 42 Location: detroit :(
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 3:15 pm Post subject: evolution theories |
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just wondering if anyone could enlighten me on the different version of evolution. I know darwin's theory pritty much, but i haven't heard much of rapid change one that was mentioned in this chapter. _________________ Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? -epicurus |
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Mind Unraveled
Joined: 08 May 2006 Posts: 42 Location: detroit :(
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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ok, so I've decided not to be lazy and try to figure this out.
I've come to the conclusion that very rapid evolutionary steps are possible and in my opinion even likely to produce trasitional species. While it's true that I'm nothing close to a scientist, I feel that this is reasonably supported and would love to be critizied and corrected.
One reason I thought of this is because of some creationist's claims that the fossil record doesn't support the evolution theory. They claim that key transitional creatures, such as a dino with features, have not been found. I thought that the dino-bird species was found but one creationist video pointed out that the animal was a fully funtional flying beast. I'm not saying that this is true. I wouldn't be suprised if it was a flat out lie. But lets say that we haven't found transitional species just for fun.
My response to this is that the chances of finding a fossil of a transitional creature is so small that actually finding one would be remarkable. I believe this because I think it is possible that transitional species could have existed in very few numbers and for a relatively short amount of time.
The species we have found, for the most part, were in existence for hundereds of thousands of years. Maybe even millions (not to sure about this though. Would love some help.) Transitional species could have only been around for tens of thousands of years and possible much much shorter. The quantity of this species could have also been very small.
I'm basing this around the idea that small populations are more susceptible to change. Check this link out.
http://anthro.palomar.edu/synthetic/synth_5.htm
I think it is possible that this could result in extreme changes within a species. This would happen if there was a dramatic change in the environment. For instance, a super volcano could disrupt the normal activies in an intire region, or a asteroid could disrupt the earth. Many members of that species would die out and only the fittest would survive. The small numbers would allow for a much faster intergration of helpful mutations. Then once the disaster is over or the spieces has become well enough adapted for their numbers to flurish the evolution would once again slow down.
Once again if there is anything obviously wrong please point it out. I'll try to find more links when I have time. For now yard workith doth call thy nameith.
Also, if you haven't notice, I'm not a spelling b champion or a grammer professor so please be gental.
EDIT: LOL was just reading this 15 mins after I posted this. It's the same place from the link above with just a couple clicks of the next topic button.
http://anthro.palomar.edu/synthetic/synth_9.htm[/url] _________________ Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? -epicurus |
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intelegant
Joined: 02 Jan 2006 Posts: 74
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 11:24 pm Post subject: Re: evolution theories |
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| Mind Unraveled wrote: | | I've come to the conclusion that very rapid evolutionary steps are possible and in my opinion even likely to produce trasitional species. While it's true that I'm nothing close to a scientist, I feel that this is reasonably supported and would love to be critizied and corrected. | I see you're nothing close to scientist, which makes you OK in my book. It was certain "scientists" who would make it difficult for souls like you and me to speak deeply on matters. i'm janitor too.
| Quote: | | One reason I thought of this is because of some creationist's claims that the fossil record doesn't support the evolution theory. They claim that key transitional creatures, such as a dino with features, have not been found. I thought that the dino-bird species was found but one creationist video pointed out that the animal was a fully funtional flying beast. I'm not saying that this is true. I wouldn't be suprised if it was a flat out lie... | I've watched parts of various videos to which you've linked here on RTP, and the most outstanding feature represented in each one, to me, is the amount of deception employed. Regardless of the intension surrounding a deception, a deception will forever be just that - a deception. This is not just a feature of those you have reffered us to, but one of a huge portion of the internet at large.
| Quote: | But lets say that we haven't found transitional species just for fun.
My response to this is that the chances of finding a fossil of a transitional creature is so small that actually finding one would be remarkable. I believe this because I think it is possible that transitional species could have existed in very few numbers and for a relatively short amount of time. | That could very well be. Compared with what we know of history, the gaps are vast.
| Quote: | | The species we have found, for the most part, were in existence for hundereds of thousands of years. Maybe even millions (not to sure about this though. Would love some help.) Transitional species could have only been around for tens of thousands of years and possible much much shorter. The quantity of this species could have also been very small. | i haven't the resources to expand upon this now. but you've done well in exposing factors that will shed New Light.
| Quote: | | ...I think it is possible that this could result in extreme changes within a species. This would happen if there was a dramatic change in the environment. For instance, a super volcano could disrupt the normal activies in an intire region, or a asteroid could disrupt the earth. Many members of that species would die out and only the fittest would survive. The small numbers would allow for a much faster intergration of helpful mutations. Then once the disaster is over or the spieces has become well enough adapted for their numbers to flurish the evolution would once again slow down. | Yes - and so many more factors must have contributed to We at Present!
| Quote: | | Also, if you haven't notice, I'm not a spelling b champion or a grammer professor so please be gental. | Please feel no need for formality!!! The important thing is that you're contributing positively.
interesting... I will read this page a bit longer.. |
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intelegant
Joined: 02 Jan 2006 Posts: 74
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:01 am Post subject: Still reading... |
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[quote=http://anthro.palomar.edu/synthetic/synth_9.htm]
Random mutations provide variations that help a species survive...[/quote]
More precisely, random mutations providing variations can help a species survive. The precept that some all-knowing, all-powerful force is guiding the development of one particular species is a faith of questionable value. |
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Jesus 2.3
Joined: 03 Jul 2010 Posts: 19 Location: Harman Geist Stadium
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:49 am Post subject: Re: Still reading... |
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| intelegant wrote: | | Random mutations provide variations that help a species survive... |
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More precisely, random mutations providing variations can help a species survive. The precept that some all-knowing, all-powerful force is guiding the development of one particular species is a faith of questionable value. | The truth is that i'm no scientist either. In reality i will still attempt to shed some light { http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_(disambiguation) php didn't accept the parenthisis in this link, click on it when you get there}on the subject.
Are you aware that scientists say light is made up of waves & particles? If not, follow the links. BTW, these are the links to our common reality. In Truth, that common reality is the wave. Your individual reality is the particle.
When speaking of a species we can say that the species is the wave, and the individuals that make up the species are the particles.
All mutations take place on the particle level, in time these mutations effect the species as a whole, and the wave changes.
If the individual mutation is beneficial, then the species will survive;
If the individual mutation isn't, it should die out before infecting the species. But this doesn't have to happen. It could just as well cause the species to die off. C'est la vie, and the rest of the world goes on.
This happens in both the physical reality, and the conceptual. It happens with species of all sorts - including humans.
We manipulate both realities, but nothing really changes. We're born, we live, and the next thing you know - you're dead.
What is it that you think you are changing, when you manipulate reality?
The truth is that you are changing nothing - even though your eyes tell you something different.
You may think that it's time for an evolutionary change in our understanding of reality. But the truth is that you'd be mistaken.
What in reality is needed is a revision in our understanding of truth.
In reality truth never changes, what changes is how we describe things.
The evolution that is in reality a revision is the truth of the will to survive.
We use our free will to decide what to do, and if we chose right - we survive.
I'm just a particle in the wave of humanity, but I hope you understand the change i'm talking about.
When the truth gets revisited something will happen,
but is it evolutionary or revolutionary? I can't predict the future.
Just remember this - evolution is natural, and revolutions are men fighting each other.
What do you think of that? _________________ I'm back with a new name, but you may not have known me before.
I have many names, Daniel is one of them.
Daniel was a prophet, this one's a mastermind.
In virtual reality i'm Jesus 2.3 - but i am no god!
i'm just an asswhole who knows it all. |
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