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Metaltiger
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 Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:10 pm Post subject: TS - can it protect us against terrorists? |
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RE: Sweden rattled by Somali militants in its midst
http://federalnewsradio.com/index.php?nid=110&sid=1871983
yes but its not a new problem. Conflict prevention is the ongoing driver of the human condition. The fact that the focus of conflict occasionally changes is of much less import than the failure to evolve conflict handling protocols in the first place... |
First, I'd love for you to prove the U.S., U.K., and a growing list of other governments wrong in regard to to the merits of TS as opposed to the long list of measures being created to maintain national security.
I have to ask if you have done much in-depth study of the Muslim religion and their various philosophies concerning their proposed interface with the rest of humanity? I've read enough of the Koran and about the goals and methods that it has left the strong impression that there is a seemingly persistent quest for the Muslims to dominate the entire earth via any means possible. It seems that the main obstacle they face now is that most of the rest of the population, first don't want to convert to Islam and second, wish to keep commerce flowing.
The disruption of our commerce is the apparent present goal of Islam. Once our commerce is damaged enough, the attempted conquest of the actual population will be next.
With such a diverse enemy, which is willing to use any sneaky, unorthodox and barbaric means to attack any population that does not fall in line with the Muslim line of thought, the use of the long and growing list of privacy invading methods seems a given - to me.
The only positive aspect of the matter that I see is that our governments may have less time and resources to apply to the oppression of personal liberties of the less evil citizens.
By all means - please do prove me wrong.
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HarryStottle
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| Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:25 pm Post subject: Re: TS - can it protect us against terrorists? |
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| Metaltiger wrote: | | First, I'd love for you to prove the U.S., U.K., and a growing list of other governments wrong in regard to to the merits of TS as opposed to the long list of measures being created to maintain national security. |
Yeah, so would I! This is, however, going to be difficult, given that they don't acknowledge the existense of TS and certainly won't acknowledge the failure of their own efforts. Actually, it's unfair to describe their efforts as a failure. They have obviously achieved successes in cracking plots which look like they were serious attempts at committing more mass killings. My argument wouldn't be that they have failed to prevent terrorist attacks so much as the price of their strategy is vastly more than it needed to be both in terms of cash and, more important in the long run, in terms of culture.
The quasi police states most of us now live in represent a major victory for the MIFT attackers as well as the authoritarian mindset within our own ranks. It has set back the cause of human liberty by around 50 years.
The cost of the illegal invasion of Iraq is staggering. Some estimates now put the financial price at $3 Trillion dollars. But the cost in credibility and in recruitment of Jihadi volunteers to the MIFT ranks is incalculable. At the very least it has guaranteed that the current "War On Terror" will continue for another generation before there can be any hope that it will burn itself out.
Of course, whether you regard these results as failure rather depends on whether those results were intended. Certainly if you're a shareholder in Halliburton or Blackwater, you won't be seeing the Iraq campaign as a failure. And if you're a neocon, determined to ensure that the sheeple perceive an external threat - to unite them under the authoritarian shepherd - you'll be more than pleased with the outcome to date.
Frankly I don't see any prospect whatsoever of the existing power structures adopting TS. They might, privately, accept that it would help monitor and control the threat from those they call terrorists but they're smart enough to realise how much it will hamper their own illegal activities and their ability to lie to their populations.
TS will, therefore, only come about in one of two ways. Either "We The People" en masse will suddenly wake up and depose the corrupt regimes that rule over us today, and impose something resembling the consensual democracy we advocate (unlikely) or TS will be implemented as an open source solution on a small scale in one or two isolated scenarios where it will fulfill its purpose to the extent that one or two other isolated scenarios will adopt it. Then perhaps a middle ranking commercial organisation might try it. Or perhaps Google would adopt it in part and - slowly but surely - it will spread, grow, improve, evolve and become the norm in so many places that governments will no longer be able to ignore it. That is the more probable route but even that is a low probability. About on a par with the chances of society ever adopting real democracy. I'm not optimistic.
| Metaltiger wrote: | | I have to ask if you have done much in-depth study of the Muslim religion and their various philosophies concerning their proposed interface with the rest of humanity? |
See the MIFT link. Will that do?
| Metaltiger wrote: | With such a diverse enemy, which is willing to use any sneaky, unorthodox and barbaric means to attack any population that does not fall in line with the Muslim line of thought, the use of the long and growing list of privacy invading methods seems a given - to me.
The only positive aspect of the matter that I see is that our governments may have less time and resources to apply to the oppression of personal liberties of the less evil citizens. |
I think you're right and wrong. The authoritarians will indeed justify their continuing assault on our privacy and liberty using the Terrorist Threat as their excuse. Of that, I have no doubt. But I fear that your hope that their concentration on the external threat will reduce the pressure on the internal enemy - such as us recreational drug users - is sadly misplaced. Authoritarians don't think like that. Total control is the aim. And they're more than happy to link the two problems together. Hence the frequent references to the profits from illegal drug sales funding the terrorism.
There is no sign whatsoever of intelligence being applied to the issue in the foreseeable future. Some reports suggest that as much as one third of MIFT finance comes from their drug profits. Decriminalising those drugs and allowing reputable commercial companies into the trade would thus instantly deprive the terrorists of one third of their income AND boost our treasuries with billions of tax dollars. Will it ever happen? Not while the authoritarians retain their iron grip.
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Jesus 2.3
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:07 am Post subject: Re: TS - can it protect us against terrorists? |
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| Metaltiger wrote: | | I have to ask if you have done much in-depth study of the Muslim religion and their various philosophies concerning their proposed interface with the rest of humanity? |
Yes, but I didn't do it in a vacuum. I also studied other religions, and I'v been brought up in the west. All of this informs me as to what to do next.
In reality, everything that I observe, whether it be live or 'memorex', informs me as to what my next move is. Just like your commments have just done.
You see, I'm a Muslim man, and I didn't make the decision lightly.
I simply tried to understand what God is, and I know this concept must be the universal truth, for it to be true for everyone.
Therefore, God wouldn't choose one people over another, and in my mind it's stupid to believe that God could be a man. That eliminates the other two contenders as representing the God of Abraham. It's as simple as that.
I don't have the time or the inclination to explain all of history to you. In reality it just doesn't matter. I'll tell you this though, my friend, the Koran isn't the problem.
It's the men who use it. Same with the Bible and science. Man manipulates what he can to get what he desires.
But the vast majority of mankind is just trying to survive.
Our free will is our will to survive and the Truth will always help you.
It's the people who want more, who think they've been chosen to lead us.
They are the problem my friends.
In the West when we don't like the way things are going, we try to change them. In the East, and that includes Islam, they just try to accept things s the way they are.
The problem isn't with Islam, the problem is with its leaders. This is the problem in all societies, and the Koran has the solution for that.
The Koran is actually a political document, and a religous one all wrapped together. But if you don't lie, cheat, or steal, there really isn't anything to worry about.
If you think that God is a man, well yes there's a problem with that. But a good Muslim will be patient, they know what happens in the end.
The Terrorists aren't good Muslims. In reality they are ignorant.
The truth is that "Peace be With You" is what the religion is all about.
It's done by keeping ones mind on what really matters. The truth is that there are too many distractions in this life for you to do the right thing.
You're programmed by what you see. The media is good at this. Do you like what they've been teaching you?
I'm not going to bother with the rest of your blather, because you don't know what you're talking about.
But remember this my friend, if I can call you that? The truth is that you are my brother, but you may not realize that.
Islam teaches that we are all brothers & sisters and that we should all just get along and survive together.
All your talk of commerce leads me to believe you want more than just survival. In reality you can do that, just don't ask for my assistance.
You see, i have no issues with surviving - I don't need any more than what I have. So there is no need to buy a bunch of shit.
How's that for your precious commerce?
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I have many names, Daniel is one of them.
Daniel was a prophet, this one's a mastermind.
In virtual reality i'm Jesus 2.3 - but i am no god!
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